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[faqir]

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[mohtashims]

faqir, on 18 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Listen from 9 mins onwards:

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However, the below article is against the Deobandi / berelwi stance and the source is primarily Sahi Bukhari.

Can you please drill in the document and explain expose why one should not completely rely on this document.


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Edited by mohtashims, 28 January 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[mohtashims]

The below article has references from primarily “Sahi Bukhari” that prohibits us from celebrating Mawlid and this stance is against the Deobandi / Berelwi stance.

Can you please accept the article, if not provide an scholarly explanation why this article is not correct to be propagated.

Milad-un-Nabi

Since more than 1400 years, every Muslim on this face of earth believes that the Sahaba (r.a)
were those who were rightly guided directly by the Holy Prophet (saws). In case they did something
good, they received appreciation from the Holy Prophet (saws), and if they committed any mistake,
they were corrected right away. The correction came either directly from the Holy Prophet (saws) or
from other Sahaba (r.a), who in turn had learnt the correct way from the Holy Prophet (saws). Even
after the Holy Prophet (saws) passed away, the Sahaba (r.a) corrected each others mistakes by
referring to the Holy Prophet (saws).

After the demise of Sahaba (r.a), the later generation of Muslims depended primary upon the two
main foundations of Islam

1. The Holy Quran - The Word of Allah (swt).
2. The Authentic Hadith - The narrations and actions of the Holy Prophet (saws) and the
practices of the Sahaba (r.a).

Apart from the Holy Prophet (saws) and the Sahaba (r.a), every other Muslim throughout the
ages of Islam, are all bound by a certain set of rules. These are the rules that every Muslim need to
follow for his success in this Life and the Hereafter.

RULE# 1:
Every Muslim should follow all that Allah (swt) and the Holy Prophet (saws) commanded.

Only those who obey Allah and His Messenger, have fear of Allah and do good deeds, are the ones
who will be the winners.[Quran 24:52]

RULE# 2:
Every Muslim should avoid all those actions and practices that were forbidden by Allah swt and the
Holy Prophet saws.

Sahih Bukhari - 9.391:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (saws) said, "Leave me as I leave you, for the people who were
before you were ruined because of their questions and their differences over their prophets. So, if I
forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of
it as much as you can."

RULE# 3:
Every Muslim can choose to practice something that Allah (swt) or the Holy Prophet (saws) did not
command directly, but was done by a Sahaba (r.a.) and that action was not forbidden by the Holy
Prophet saws.

RULE#4:
Every Muslims should do the opposite of what the Jews and Christian do.

Narrated Abu Huraira : The Prophet (saws) said, "Jews and Christians do not dye their hair so you
should do the opposite of what they do. (Sahih Bukhari - 7.786)

RULE#5:
Every Muslim should follow the Holy Prophet (saws) first, even if the action or practice is similar
to an action or practice done by Jews or Christians. In such cases Muslim should follow no less and no more than what is commanded by the Holy Prophet saws.

Sahih Muslim - Bk 6, Number 2528:
Ibn 'Abbas reported that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) fasted on the day of
'Ashura and commanded that it should he observed as a fast, they (his Companions) said to him:
Messenger of Allah, it is a day which the Jews and Christians hold in high esteem. Thereupon the
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When the next year comes, God willing, we would
observe fast on the 9th But the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) died before the advent of the next year.

RULE#6:
Muslims are not allowed to add or subtract anything in the Principles of Islam.

Sahih Bukhari - 3.861: Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which
is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."
For eg:
Leading the Salaah on a loud speaker system was not practiced by neither the Holy Prophet saws, nor the Sahaba r.a, but doing so does not alter the principles of religion.
Travelling by plane for Haj or Umrah was not practiced by neither the Holy Prophet saws, nor the
Sahaba r.a, but doing so does not alter the principles of religion.

RULE#7:
For any new practice, Muslims should abide by the Ijma. Ijma is the consensus of ALL the scholars of
Islam and NOT consensus of few scholars of Islam.
For E.g.
Reciting the Intention of Haj/Umrah in an aero plane passing over Miqaat, confirms with the Ijmaa.
All scholars of the world agree to this practice.

With these set of rules engraved upon our hearts and minds, let us now see how the Holy
Prophet (saws) celebrated the Eid.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar r.a: Allah's Apostle used to offer the prayer of `Id−ul−Adha and
`Id−ul−Fitr and then deliver the Khutba after the prayer. (Sahih Bukhari - 2.77)

When the Prophet (saws) came to Madinah, he found that people used to celebrate two days during
the time of ignorance period (Jahiliyya). He (saws) said: "I came to you and you have two days you
celebrated during (Jahiliyya) and Allah has substituted for you better days: the Day of Sacrifice
(Id−ul−Adha) and the Day of breaking Fast (Id−ul−Fitr)." (Hadith narrated by Ahmad & Abu
Daoud).

The above hadith is enough to prove that Allah (swt) had approved only two days of Eid for
the Muslims. Thus Milad un Nabi certainly does not confirm to any command of Allah (swt), nor to
any practice of the Holy Prophet (saws).

There are some who claim that they can prove that the Holy Prophet saws himself mentioned
the excellence of the day of his birth. They also claim that the Holy Prophet saws himself commanded
Muslims to celebrate out on the roads and streets. To prove their point, they seem to provide some
authentic set of hadiths, not in completeness, but in partial, so as to validate the practice of
‘celebrating’ Eid Milad un Nabi.

Read the complete hadith and you should be easily able to conclude the message that the Holy
Prophet saws intended to give to the ummah.

Sahih Muslim - Bk 6, Number 2606:
Abu Qatada Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon
him) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It is (the day) when I was born and
revelation was sent down to me.

What do you understand from this hadith? Did the Holy Prophet saws intend to convey us to
celebrate his birthday? Or was it something else? The fact is, the Holy Prophet saws intended to
convey us the virtues of the day of Monday. It is very clear from the above hadith that the day of
Monday, holds a special status.
· It was on Monday when the Holy Prophet saws was born.
· It was on Monday when the revelation was sent down on the Holy Prophet saws.
· It was on Monday when the Holy Prophet saws preferred to fast.
· And, It was on Monday when the Holy Prophet saws depart from this world.

Based on this special status of the day of Monday, even the rightly guide Caliph of Islam, Hazrat Abu
Bakr r.a. too desired to die on the day of Monday.

Narrated Hisham's father: Aisha said, "I went to Abu Bakr (during his fatal illness) and he asked me,
'In how many garments was the Prophet shrouded?' She replied, 'In three Suhuliya pieces of white
cloth of cotton, and there was neither a shirt nor a turban among them.' Abu Bakr further asked her,
'On which day did the Prophet die?' She replied, 'He died on Monday.' He asked, 'What is today?' She
replied, 'Today is Monday.' He added, 'I hope I shall die sometime between this morning and tonight.'
Then he looked at a garment that he was wearing during his illness and it had some stains of saffron.
Then he said, 'Wash this garment of mine and add two more garments and shroud me in them.' I said,
'This is worn out.' He said, 'A living person has more right to wear new clothes than a dead one; the
shroud is only for the body's pus.' He did not die till it was the night of Tuesday and was buried
before the morning." (Sahih Bukhari - 2.469:)

The message conveyed from the above hadith is crystal clear, its about the day of Monday being
auspicious, and not the birthday. Also it should be noted that in the above hadith, when the Holy
Prophet saws mentioned us about his birth, He (saws) mentioned the day of the week and not the
date of the year.

I ask those who celebrate Milaad Un Nabi, would you now jump to a new practice that Milaad-un-
Nabi should be celebrated every Monday?

You might say "It is written in the Quran and Hadith to celebrate going out on roads and streets, and
that the angels envelop those who celebrate..."

My dear friend, I agree that such a hadith does exist, but the context of hadith is altogether different.
Refer the below hadith.

Sahih Bukhari - 8.417:
Narrated Abu Huraira r.a: Allah 's Apostle saws said, "Allah has some angels who look for those who
celebrate the Praises of Allah on the roads and paths. And when they find some people celebrating
the Praises of Allah, they call each other, saying, "Come to the object of your pursuit." He added,
"Then the angels encircle them with their wings up to the sky of the world." He added. "(after those
people celebrated the Praises of Allah, and the angels go back), their Lord, asks them (those angels)
−though He knows better than them− 'What do My slaves say?' The angels reply, 'They say:
SubhanAllah, AllahuAkbar, and Alhamdulillah, Allah then says 'Did they see Me?' The angels reply,
'No! By Allah, they didn't see You.' Allah says, How it would have been if they saw Me?' The angels
reply, 'If they saw You, they would worship You more devoutly and celebrate Your Glory more
deeply, and declare Your freedom from any resemblance to anything more often.' Allah says (to the
angels), 'What do they ask Me for?' The angels reply, 'They ask You for Paradise.' Allah says (to the
angels), 'Did they see it?' The angels say, 'No! By Allah, O Lord! They did not see it.' Allah says, How
it would have been if they saw it?' The angels say, 'If they saw it, they would have greater
covetousness for it and would seek It with greater zeal and would have greater desire for it.' Allah
says, 'From what do they seek refuge?' The angels reply, 'They seek refuge from the (Hell) Fire.' Allah
says, 'Did they see it?' The angels say, 'No By Allah, O Lord! They did not see it.' Allah says, How it
would have been if they saw it?' The angels say, 'If they saw it they would flee from it with the
extreme fleeing and would have extreme fear from it.' Then Allah says, 'I make you witnesses that I
have forgiven them."' Allah's Apostle added, "One of the angels would say, 'There was so−and−so
amongst them, and he was not one of them, but he had just come for some need.' Allah would say,
'These are those people whose companions will not be reduced to misery.' "

Isn't this the hadith that you would refer, to justify your celebrating the Milaad-un-Nabi going out on
the streets and roads?

Firstly, is there any mention in the above hadith to celebrate the birth of the Holy Prophet saws?
Secondly, what meaning can you derive of the word 'Celebrate'? Refer the some more hadith below to
understand the true meaning of the term 'Celebrate'.

Sahih Bukhari - 1.529:
Narrated Qais: Jarir said, "We were with the Prophet and he looked at the moon; full moon; and said,
'Certainly you will see your Lord as you see this moon and you will have no trouble in seeing Him.
So if you can avoid missing (through sleep or business, etc.) a prayer before the sunrise (Fajr) and a
prayer before sunset (`Asr), you must do so.' He then recited Allah's Statement: And celebrate the
praises Of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting." (50.39) Isma`il said, "Offer
those prayers and do not miss them."

Sahih Bukhari - 4.424:
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Abbas: The Prophet said, "The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the
Signs of Allah. They do not eclipse because of someone's death or life. So, if you see them (i.e. eclipse),
celebrate the Praises of Allah (i.e. pray).

Sahih Bukhari - 4.491:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "During your sleep, Satan knots three knots at the back
of the head of each of you, and he breathes the following words at each knot, 'The night is, long, so
keep on sleeping,' If that person wakes up and celebrates the praises of Allah, then one knot is
undone, and when he performs ablution the second knot is undone, and when he prays, all the knots
are undone, and he gets up in the morning lively and gay, otherwise he gets up dull and gloomy."

Sahih Bukhari - 8.416:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet said, "The example of the one who celebrates the Praises of his Lord (Allah) in comparison to the one who does not celebrate the Praises of his Lord, is that of a living
creature compared to a dead one."

In the above mentioned hadiths the Holy Prophet saws commanded us to 'celebrate' when:
a) One goes out on roads and paths
Before the rise and setting of sun
c) At the time of Solar and Lunar Eclipse
d) Soon after waking up from bed
e) One who celebrates praises of Allah is a living creature otherwise he/she is dead.

So what do you now understand does the term 'celebrate' refer to? Taking those events as a day of
Eid? Or does it means 'to observe the day' or 'to observe the occasion'?
So how do you celebrate the above five occasions? The way the Holy Prophet saws commanded, or
your own new way?

You might now try to justify that although Milaad-un-Nabi is a Bidaah, but its a 'good bidah'. Why?
Because you commemorate the birth of Holy Prophet saws on the day when He saws was born. This
way we remember his teachings and try to follow him the rest of the year.

But do you really do so?

I see people roaming out on streets shouting and rejoicing causing inconvenience to the passers by. I
see people out on the streets playing naats and qawwalees on the loud speakers. I see societies and
buildings organizing hired Jockeys to play the best of naats and qawwaalees with full volume. Those
Naats and Qawwaalees never confirm to the above mentioned hadith of the Holy Prophet saws i.e. to
praise Allah swt with SubhanAllah, Alhamdulillah, AllahuAkbar. Those Naats and Qawaalees never
ask Allah swt for Paradise, Nor does it mention about seeking refuge from the Hell fire from Allah
swt. All that I can understand from those naats and qawwalees is - Not Praises of Allah swt, but only
the praise of Holy Prophet (saws) and the Auliya.

Indeed every Muslim should love and praise the Holy Prophet (saws), but in the way as taught by the
Holy Prophet saws and the Sahaba r.a. No Less and No Excess.

Indeed every Muslim should send salaams on the Holy Prophet (saws), but in the way as taught by
the Holy Prophet saws and the Sahaba r.a. No Less and No Excess.

Indeed every Muslim should pray to Allah swt to make the Holy Prophet (saws) our intercessor on
the Day of Judgment, but in the way as taught by the Holy Prophet (saws) and the Sahaba (r.a). No
Less and No Excess.

Indeed every Muslim should respect the true Auliya and the Imams of Islam. But in the way suitable
to their status. No Less and No Excess.

Before I conclude, below are a few more hadiths of the Holy Prophet’s (saws) command to the
Muslim Ummah.

Sahih Bukhari 4.654:
Narrated `Umar: I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians
praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari - 9.422:
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al−Khudri: The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who
were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they
entered a hole of a mastigure, you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean)
the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"

From all the above mentioned hadith, the occasion of Eid Milaad-un-Nabi need to be weighed against
the RULES mentioned above.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#1 - Every Muslim should follow all that Allah
swt and the Holy Prophet saws commanded.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#2 - Every Muslim should avoid all those actions
and practices that were forbidden by Allah swt and the Holy Prophet saws.

You might say, "Where did the Holy Prophet saws forbid Eid Milad-un-Nabi?" Don't you agree that
celebrating birthdays is a practise of Christians, and didn't the Holy Prophet saws forbade us to
follow the Jews and Christians.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#3 - Every Muslim can choose to practise
something that Allah swt or the Holy Prophet saws did not command directly, but was done by a
Sahaba r.a. and that action was not forbidden by the Holy Prophet saws.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#4 - Every Muslims should do the opposite of
what the Jews and Christian do.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#5 - Muslim should follow the Holy Prophet saws
first, even if the action or practice is similar to action or practice done by Jews or Christians. In such
cases Muslim should follow no less and no more than what is commanded by the Holy Prophet saws.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#6 - Muslims are not allowed to add or subract
anything in the Principles of Islam.

Eid Milaad-un-Nabi DOES NOT confirm to RULE#7 - For any new practice, Muslims should abide
by the Ijma. Ijma is Consensus of ALL the scholars of Islam and NOT consensus of few scholars of
Islam.

Lastly, didn't Allah (swt) command us not to differentiate between any of the Prophets (peace be on
them all) of Allah (swt). In that case, you are left with two choices

Either you choose to celebrate both Christmas and Milaad-un-Nabi.
OR
You refrain to celebrate both Christmas and Milaad-un-Nabi.

Let me conclude with the Seven Oft repeated verses of the Holy Quran.

Surah Al Fatihah

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
All praise is for Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
The Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.
The Master of the Day of Judgment.
O’ Allah! You Alone we worship and You Alone we call on for help.
O’ Allah! Guide us to The Right Way. The Way of those whom You have favored;
Not of those(Jews) who have earned Your wrath,
Nor of those(Christians) who have lost The Way.

We ask Allah to protect us from bid’ah and to bless us by helping us to follow. Allah knows best. May
Allah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Edited by mohtashims, 28 January 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[faqir]

did you write this?

[mohtashims]

 faqir, on 29 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

did you write this?

Not me, but I am enrolled in a group that has such articles for the benefit of the members.

Anyways, I wanted to ask you if you see any issues with the article ?

You can see some email id at the bottom of the PDF.

Edited by mohtashims, 30 January 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[faqir]

Why should I waste my time reading an article by some anonymous individual.  I doubt there is anything therein that has not already been answered. If you have any specific brief issue then post it.

[mohtashims]

 faqir, on 30 January 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Why should I waste my time reading an article by some anonymous individual.  I doubt there is anything therein that has not already been answered. If you have any specific brief issue then post it.

Already been answered ... where ?? I was expecting a detailed reply refutation of the article because it is being propagated amongst the Software engineer groups that we are a part of and I get queries on my email regarding the validity of such articles.

I would appreciate if not the whole but a few points of clarification that you could give regarding some of the points in that article; by the way its your choice and feasibility to choose not to.

[faqir]

tell the software engineers to stick with what they are good at and leave issuing of fatwas to the 'ulema.

[Arfatzafar]

mohtashims, on 31 January 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

faqir, on 30 January 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Why should I waste my time reading an article by some anonymous individual.  I doubt there is anything therein that has not already been answered. If you have any specific brief issue then post it.

Already been answered ... where ?? I was expecting a detailed reply refutation of the article because it is being propagated amongst the Software engineer groups that we are a part of and I get queries on my email regarding the validity of such articles.

I would appreciate if not the whole but a few points of clarification that you could give regarding some of the points in that article; by the way its your choice and feasibility to choose not to.

Bismillahir rahmanir rahim:
Bro Mohtashims,
you've misconceptions about Ulma e Deoband. They are not proponents of any Bid'a. They're true followers of Quran n Sunnah.

Edited by Arfatzafar, 01 February 2013 - 10:42 AM.